My struggles with Obsidian for college (asking for organization advice)

I have switched from Google Drive to Obsidian for my current semester of university (about 2 months so far) and I like it a lot. In some ways, it feels way more satisfying than Google Drive. However, there are some things I wish I could do better.

First, since I am coming from Google Drive, I still have a very folder-centric organization scheme (a folder for college, personal notes, independent learning, every class, etc.). I know that a lot of the Obsidian community preaches using tags and links for notes, but honestly, it just feels like it introduces more work and pressure to writing every note. My classes are hard, and I need a way to stay organized and take useful and organized notes fast, so I don’t fall behind. So far, writing notes in Obsidian has felt like more of a chore. I constantly have to think about whether a link is necessary or not, whether a tag is fitting or not, etc. Maybe this is just my inexperience talking. It’s a shame because I would love to use tags and links if I was smart and organized enough to use them. I hear about systems like zettelkasten and PARA and I don’t feel smart enough to use those either.

I am wondering if any of you have struggled with something similar and how you overcame it to take really nice notes. I suppose the two areas I am looking for the most advice in are when/where to use tags and links, and how to organize the files themselves. Any advice?

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I’ve felt the exact same way with Obsidian for a while now. I used notion before and I set it up very folder like with the databases as my folder. Something clicked today while I was watching a video about “the good parts” of obsidian rather than over complicating it that made the tag thing make a lot more sense to me. You can apparently chain tags like so #health/fitness/workouts. That simple trick changed the game for me and I just started using obsidian as I would apple notes except with some community plugins to fit any needs I come across. I hope this helps but if it doesn’t I’d say don’t over complicate it. The tag thing is the way to go for a lot of people but there’s something to be said about feeling like you need to use a tool a certain way because that’s how people tell you to do it

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You can use a traditional folder hierarchy with Obsidian just like you do in Google Drive. I like a folder structure in my notes so I use them a lot.

I only use tags in templates combined with AutoMover plugin so I can create a note from template and it gets automatically moved to a correct folder.

Some people use tags, some use backlinks, some use folders. Obsidian is quite nice because it fits so many different use cases and the important thing is to find one that works for you.

You can then add new things a little bit at a time if you want to start explore how tags might fit into your workflow without having to worry about them in the first place or during note creation.

My recommendation is to use any external materials (these forums, Youtube influencers etc) as inspiration rather than descriptive rules of how you must use the tool.

I don’t think using tags or backlinks has anything to do with one’s smartness or intellectual capacity. It’s a new tool that takes time to get used to and sometimes you notice it doesn’t bring any value to you. Many people are very hyped about the local graph but I never look at it because my notes are not organised in a way where it would be useful.

There are no right or wrong way to use Obsidian.

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I’d also recommend that you stick to the format you are familiar with and use a folder structure.

You don’t have to use the links and tags; Only use them when they solve a problem you are having.

Say, you have a Mr. X who has a lot to say about a variety of topics and you want to be able find all of that easily; That’s something that can be solved with tags (Use #X etc.)

If you find yourself wanting to quickly review something from another note while studying; Enter links.

I’m also use a folder structure and use that with Obsidian. I can easily find files with Windows Explorer in folders as well as Obsidian if need be.

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Oh yeah I saw that one too. Do you mean the No Boilterplate video?

TLDR: Use the system that is working for you and that you’re comfortable with. If it feels like a chore, you won’t stick to it much longer.

I wouldn’t worry too much about that. In the end it is just as mentioned before: It has to suit your needs. If you feel more comfortable with a folder structure. Do a folder structure.

If you get to a point, where a note would fit in two folders, then you can use a tag for both topics or use links.

Me personally, I use a basic folder structure and otherwise use a lot of links and work with MOCs (map of contents, basically Notes with links to other notes like an index to a specific topic). If you compare it to college classes, you would have one MOC for every class and then different notes that link to it. If a note fits to 2 subjects or topics then you can link the note to both.

I would recommend using YAML frontmatter in a template and just fill out the stuff that you need and leave the rest empty. This way you can concentrate on writing the notes and then later on redacting them a bit, when you go over the topics for the exams.

I watched a lot of videos on youtube in the beginning and that is a huge rabbit hole where you can spend a lot of time/hours on those videos and concepts.

Here are some channels and videos:

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I’ve been taking college notes in Obsidian for a year now, and here’s what I’ve learned.

If your notes work for you now, don’t change that. Don’t worry about the way someone else structures their vault, or their notes. There’s no such thing as “not smart enough to use ___”. Some people have great luck using a system like Zettelkasten or PARA. I looked into those when I first got started and quickly became overwhelmed, so I decided to go a different direction with my vault. Not using someone else’s “ideal structure” says nothing about you beyond the fact that you think differently than the person who uses/created the system. Which is never a bad thing.

I honestly have a very folder-centric system myself:

Inbox is the default folder for all new notes just to make it easier as I create. I can either move the note right away if I know where I want it, or leave it in Inbox for as much time as I need to find the “right” place for it. I periodically clean my Inbox, maybe once a month. This is where all of my scribbles of code snippets, things I like that someone said in the Obsidian Discord, or random thoughts go when I first create them and don’t have time or the mental capacity to figure out where they belong.

Data contains Dashboards/MOCs, Templates, Help, and Storage. This is stuff I need to navigate my vault, but not the actual meat of the vault. Each is a good descriptor of what they contain, and within the folder may have several subfolders (ie Storage has folders for images, drawings, etc).

Life contains everything outside of my college instruction. It’s divided into Daily Notes (contains my daily/monthly notes), Habits (a separate folder is required for my habits with the plugin I use), Hobbies, and Knowledge.

My hobby folder contains subfolders for Reading (containing all of my book reviews), Writing (containing all of my personal fiction), and the Bible (study notes, sermon notes, etc).

Knowledge contains articles I’ve clipped from the internet, websites, bookmarks, quotes, random facts… basically everything that doesn’t have a place within a specific other folder goes here. Notes in this folder are always tagged based on the general content or type of note – #quote, #obsidian, #website, #note-taking, etc. Other than just trying to get the general idea down, I don’t tag much for these. The goal for these notes is usually to have descriptive names and content to more easily find them. I do tag articles from the internet with more specific content tags like #artificial-intelligence, #genetics, #neuroscience, etc.

The rest of my folders are {Class Name}. Every note that I create specifically for that class goes in that folder. Not that there isn’t overlap between classes (for my degree there’s actually more overlap than usual), but more for some sort of organizational structure that allows me to quickly just delineate my learning and use Dataview and other plugins to sort and organize. I don’t stress too much about trying to find the right folder, as long as the lecture note the content originated from is in the correct class folder.

My actual note taking process in college follows this process:

  1. Take lecture notes – these contain all of the information and pictures from the lecture, dated and with Dataview frontmatter for topic, summary, and understanding for organization and quick finding of the topic I need. They are sorted into the appropriate class folder.
  2. Atomicize lecture notes – I take each idea from the lecture and create a new note with it, leaving all of the information in the lecture note and duplicating it into a new, specific note. I find the chronological progression is valuable to me. A few additional reasons to leave the content atomicized but linked in the lecture note below:
  • I’ve already experienced the “I learned x at the same time as y, but I only remember what y was” and been able to find x based on the lecture note containing y.
  • In general, I am a very anti-deletion person. Everything you write down has an importance to it, or you wouldn’t use additional energy to record it. Practicing a “permanent” note system, where notes are kept forever (nominally) also enforces a “what is important here and why” thought process.
  • I use the lectures as a form of MOC, a guide to information so it isn’t lost or overlooked. It links sibling thoughts and ideas together (especially in a lecture environment) without the painstakingly tedious process of linking a to b to c to d to a. Having a and d in the same MOC may be close enough.
  1. Link notes – this is semi-automatic. I use the Virtual Linker / Glossary plugin, which reads your text and finds words that already exist as notes in your vault. It will then create a pseudo link where it functions the exact same way as a Markdown link, except that it doesn’t show up in the graph (not really a problem). This allows me to gain 100% of the value of linking with 0% of the work. If you’re struggling to link, I would suggest trying this plugin.

As someone who jumped into Obsidian without doing any reading, watching of videos, or talking to actual users, here is what I would recommend you do/don’t do.

Do

  • focus on getting information down
  • utilize aliases to give notes additional and/or more descriptive names so you can find them easily
  • use the Omnisearch plugin to find notes more readily

Don’t

  • focus on making it too pretty (I struggled and still majorly struggle with this) until you have the time to spend without sacrificing your learning
  • start using too many plugins – build slowly, and only get the ones you absolutely need if you can. I likely have “too many” by most standards, but I do have solid use cases for most of them
  • try to use other people’s organizational structures in your notes unless you can easily incorporate them without changing your own thought process
  • over-analyze the use of tags – if you like them, great, if you don’t, don’t use them. There are plugins to help you batch remove/rename tags, so if you want to experiment, it’s fairly easy to change if you don’t like where you went and want to restart. However, this goes back to the first don’t instruction…

I hope this helps, and if you have any questions about my vault or want to see images of my process, please let me know. I would be happy to provide more information!

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Obsidian doesn’t lock you into a specific workflow which is a strength (because it’s flexible) and weakness (analysis paralysis, takes time to figure something that works for you, etc.)

One of your primary goals is to make sure you can find your notes later and leverage them in building your knowledge base. Whether it be folders, links, tags, or some combination thereof, use what works for you. Above all else, keep it simple. If you make a complex system, you won’t keep it.

Also, don’t worry too much about your structure in the beginning. Create about 100 notes with whatever structure you want. Once you hit that that threshold, start asking yourself the question: can I find what I am looking for? If not, why not? What would help? Folders, tags, back links (MOCs), and file naming schemes are all options here. Again, don’t make it too complex. Templates help with this process. You can put comments in templates to remind you to do certain things (like file naming conventions if you go for that), but don’t make it too complex as you probably want to hit the ground running quickly.

If you start considering migrating to another solution, I suggest you also look at the workflow. One of the things I love about Obsidian is the editor. When I am working with notes (e.g. working on an essay, synthesizing notes, creating a self test, etc.), I will create two side-by-side panes: one pane with the new note and another panel with my reference note. I often need to quickly flip through my reference notes: doing so is quick and painless with a good text search that is easy to use (OneNote was awful at this) and quick open. I also like how Obsidian has a simple markup. When I used EverNote, I kept fighting with the formatting because it tried too hard to be “helpful”. Obsidian also has useful markup for math and graphs which other tools don’t offer.

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For some reason, this made me think of my own experience and how I’ve exercised the “nuclear option” with my vault a couple times. I’m about 3 years attached to my current setup and I feel ready for a change. I guess my advice is that if you start finding that your vault doesn’t do X well and you really need it to but it requires starting over (or if you’re organizational scheme fell apart), you can always start over and bring over whatever you’d like to keep and archive the rest. Just because you prune and potentially lose a lot, you’ll probably have gained more from the thinking than from the thinking that probably won’t be in a vault whose chaos doesn’t vibe with you.

The goal of the vault may also just be something that meets your needs now: to get you through this semester or through college, perhaps.

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Honestly? I use the PARA system and so far, it’s worked pretty well [with modifications]
I have a homepage, a seed-bin for new notes, a folder for templates, a folder for classes i’m currently taking, another for archived classes [and my dissertation/literature notes], and one for hobbies like writing and language learning. Is it anything like the PARA system? It was in the beginning, but now it only has a tenuous relationship to it.
As your bin grows, you grow, your thoughts grow, and they diverge from the original intent. And that’s okay!

Maybe you can refer to my content here:
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I keep things linked and tagged, except uni notes. for the exact reason you mentioned: speed. you can sink time in notes organisation somewhere else, actually following your lecture is smarter than tagging and liking :wink:

Obsidian is neat, because you can speed up the creation of new files. QuickAdd + Templater can work wonders if you take some time to set it up. And you can easily query / rediscover things like tasks.

If you recall “oh wait we did something similar in lecture x, I should link it”, why not make a task to check that later? you can take your time and check open tasks in lecture notes at home. Works for me.

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I still have a very folder-centric organization scheme (a folder for college, personal notes, independent learning, every class, etc.). I know that a lot of the Obsidian community preaches using tags and links for notes, (…)

Just ignore the preachers. They contradict each other anyway. Personally I do a lot of thing that well-known preachers disapprove of. I write long notes, I use many and deeply nested folders, I ignore Templater and Dataview, … So what?

writing notes in Obsidian has felt like more of a chore

That’s a big one.

My advice it to drop everything that you don’t like in your current workflow.

Instead do what you enjoy, what comes easy to you. There are so many other ways of doing things.

Try out, what works for you. Choose what feels good, sensible, meaningful and satisfying—to you.

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Yup! Usually the obsidian videos go over my head but the tag thing stuck with me

Hi, I hope all is well to those browsing. I’m a fiction/nonfiction writer since 2011, and I’ve used google drive since around 2016. (Before then, I used plain text files within a folder on the desktop.) I migrated away from google drive in 2023 when I discovered Obsidian.

In the past, I used folders and documents exclusively in google docs. I archive things by year when things get messy. Using links and tags were clunky and difficult for me at first, in Obsidian, and I still don’t have a system for them. Tags remind me a lot of “labels” in gmail, to be honest.

Things that never really resonated with me and only practiced but never stuck (but I admire observing in the community):

  • Zettlekasten
  • “PARA” method
  • “Atomic” notes
  • Nested tags
  • I really only watch youtube for the moral support and inspiration. Sometimes I’m like, “wow, what a neat idea!” I have a “test drive” vault only used for non serious experimentation. It’s messy and fun. Most of the time, new trendy methods don’t work for me.

What I actually do for my use case (based on what I did in Google Drive):

  • Year - Project - Title for file naming scheme. “2024 - Fantasy Project - We meet our hero” for example
  • I archive out entire vaults when I get tired and name them as “year - main works”, such as “2023 - Fantasy and Scifi Drafts.” I keep them safe in a different place where my vaults are not. I reflect on what worked and what didn’t, and start brand new. I only do this because of my background in daily bullet journaling with pen and paper, and I need mental clarity.

Here is what I have as folders:

  • Clutter (like an inbox; all for unrelated nonsense)
  • Long Writing (for full-length chapters that are 2,000+ words long, and/or apart of an ongoing collected narrative in a project.)
  • Short Writing (for small unfinished writings less than 1,000 words, that may not be related to anything; all for chasing ideas.)
  • Story Notes (character profiles, plot notes, my angry rants when I have writer’s block, research, etc)
  • Thinkspace (For when I want to cobble together reference materials and when I want to make blog posts.)

Project folders are added within each folder as needed. “2023 - Blog series for quarter 1” or “2024 - fantasy short story series” for example.

Additional context is explored as time goes on, depending on how often I need to retrieve information. This is done sparsely through tags, and sometimes links. I only use tags in properties view, and I make a list at the top or bottom of the note to make connections. (“Related to: Note here” for example.) I’m only just starting to use more properties :sweat_smile:

There’s probably a way to adapt this to academic methods or life management. I am unsure. I do those things pen/paper style. I also keep bookmarks in my browser, so i rarely make use of embeds, I’m not sure.

When i got started, i was SO enthusiastic about MOCs and links. I went link crazy like I was a paper chain manufacturer. I was trying to make a comprehensive wiki where I had tons of characters related to various mocs, and i had links between characters to designate relationships. It became a logistical nightmare and a huge chore. I didn’t want my vault to feel like a chore. I couldn’t find important notes among dozens of half empty character notes that weren’t bringing me value.

I’m still learning how i need to support myself, and i’m keeping it easy and approachable in my vault.