Swedish Layout: Both Physical Hotkeys `⌘ + <` and `⌘ + ,` trigger the same command on MacOS

Steps to reproduce

Go to Hotkey settings and try to register ⌘ + < as a hotkey.

Expected result

⌘ + < is registered as a hotkey for the selected command.

Actual result

⌘ +, is registered as a hotkey for the selected command.

see screencast:


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Next time please follow the Debug Help directions at the top of the template that you filled out. Does this happen in the Sandbox vault?

Slightly older pic, but the Apple extended US English keyboard looks like this:

What’s your keyboard layout and what is your OS language set to? Until it’s looked into, you could try adding another modifier, e.g. ⌘ + shift + <

The instructions state:

Before opening a new bug report, please search the forum for duplicates and read the Debug Guide.

I did that but didn’t find any duplicates.

We only consider bug that are reproducible in the sandbox vault or no third-party plugins/no css snippets/default theme. For Linux, we only accept bug reports that are reproducible with the Appimage package under Gnome or KDE.

The behaviour I described is reproducible in the sandbox vault.

Once you’ve done the above, delete everything above this line.

I did that. Plus the line itself.

What else was I supposed to do?


I included a screencast showing the keyboard layout. It is the Swedish keyboard layout.


Same issue with that one. ⌘ + shift + < registers as ⌘ + shift + ,

The information on that page is helpful:

Note for non-US users: Even if the hotkey you type doesn’t match on screen with what you would expect to see (given your keyboard layout), it will work fine following the actual buttons you pressed (as long as you don’t change layout).

The hotkey that appears on screen is the one that you would have to perform if you were using a US keyboard.

But the problem is that although ⌘ + < does seem to work despite it being displayed as ⌘ + ,, the conflict with ⌘ + , is real, i.e. ⌘ + , will now trigger the same command that ⌘ + < was registered for. So this is not merely a matter of the hotkey being displayed wrongly, it also seems to be registered twice (which adds the confusion that the wrong display of the hotkey causes).

So, from what I can see, there are two issues here.

  1. Users on non-US keyboards will sometimes see the wrong hotkey displayed. That one is known (I assume the explanation on the help page means something like: “we know this is not ideal, but haven’t managed to fix it yet”).
  2. Users of non-US keyboards will register two hotkeys whenever the key in question differs between the US-keyboard layout and the keyboard layout used.

We have never seen this happen. What is your keyboard layout?

Are you sure that two physical buttons are mapped to the same command or is this just a matter of things being displayed wrong?

Thank you for following the BR template. You didn’t mention in your original post that you tried in the Sandbox, restricted mode, etc. That’s why I asked.

@WhiteNoise They mentioned above that it’s a Swedish keyboard and the OS is in English.

If you’re all using a US keyboard, that is not surprising. But you should be able to reproduce this in the sandbox vault:

The keyboard layout is Swedish (SE).

We can leave the physical keyboard out of the picture. As you can see in the screencast above, the issue exists also when using a virtual keyboard.

No, there are two issues. One is that things are displayed wrong, the other is that the hotkey that is displayed is also active as a hotkey (in addition to the hotkey that is not displayed anywhere).

So, when non-US users register ⌘ + < (or any other key that somehow doesn’t match the US keyboard layout) as a hotkey for command A, they get the following:

  1. Instead of ⌘ + < being shown next to the command A, ⌘ + , is shown.
  2. If they press ⌘ + ,, command A is executed (which is expected behaviour based on what is displayed in the hotkey list, but which is not expected behaviour based on the fact that the user registered ⌘ + < for that command.
  3. If they press ⌘ + <, command A is executed, which is expected behaviour based on the fact that this is what the user registered, but once the user forgets which key they registered for command A (I won’t blame them!) that behaviour is totally unexpected.
  4. If they now - after forgetting that they already registered the ⌘ + < - have this great idea that they could use this as a hotkey for another command B and do so, pressing ⌘ + < will not trigger command B but still command A. Also ⌘ + ,, which is now also displayed next to command B still triggers command A. (not sure why, but it appears that only the default hotkeys are overwritten by new, conflicting hotkeys, while custom hotkeys are retained when a new conflicting hotkey is added.)
  5. If the user now removes the hotkey displayed next to command A (⌘ + ,), the effect is that ⌘ + < will now trigger command B. (Seriously, I am not kidding you! :rofl:).

ok. the fact that the what you press does not correspond to what you see on the screen is a known issue of non-us layouts.
The fact that two different keys are detected as the same is new.

This is not reproducible on windows because on windows the swedish keyboard does not have the < in the lower left corner.

I use a Swedish windows keyboard with my mac and it does actually have a < key in the lower left corner.

Sorry, you are correct about that.