I’ll just post this thread here: Logseq and Obsidian.md Colaboration Projects - Feature Requests - Logseq
In particular @tienson’s response
I’ll just post this thread here: Logseq and Obsidian.md Colaboration Projects - Feature Requests - Logseq
In particular @tienson’s response
A Logseq and Obsidian collaboration / integration would be awesome! But until then, I’m just hoping for some basic outlining improvements to make it more usable for me during ideation (mainly… stick to bullet mode, better tabbing, and drag & drop section capability).
You beat me to it… was gonna post that thread in the forum here…
Tl;dr - the logseq dev said they would support and donate to anyone who would write a logseq-integrated outliner plugin for obsidian
Also, the Obsidian devs have stated many times that they will not implement an outliner in core, so this thread should probably be moved to the plugins forum.
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I think an argument can be made to have this as a core plugin.
I thought I posted something about this on the forum, can’t seem to find it now…
Found it (https://forum.obsidian.md/t/fully-transclude-backlinks
/325/64?u=mabdallay) Although this is in relation to backlinks, my request for an outliner core plugin is the same — A more inclusive design for all!
As others have noted, some things are already possible either directly or via css and shortcuts. It’s likely that we will add more shorcuts to make folding/unfolding faster.
A full blown outliner (with the relative data structure) is probably better developed as plugin.
I am gonna move this to plugins and open a FR for indent/unindent. (there was already one)
Any thought of a Dynalist “like” plugin - something to allow the power of an outline “inside” of a given note/document. Given the developer’s background with Dynalist, maybe some code could be reused?
I could see a plugin to embed a Dynalist view, but would much rather have a way of dealing with outlines inside of the existing app - one of my issues with Dynalist is the “cloud nature” - I prefer local, under my control, in my git repository.
Just a thought - sorry if I’m late to the game.
I agree this would be great
In my opinion, the possibility to have it would attract some people to the community
An outliner plugin for Obsidian would be great. Right now I am using Dynalist, but I prefer local storage for my outline.
I would like to know if there are more people interested in this, so that this could motivate developers to make an outliner plugin with functionality like Dynalist / Workflowy.
moo.do is an outliner app that uses local storage in addition to cloud storage. It has many more features than Dynalist, but can be a bit buggy. IMO, the features compensate for the bugs
I’d like at least a way to import from Dynalist to Obsidian.
I also would like a way of dealing with outlines inside the core app! However I found that the developer (Erica) did say that they do not want to do that. A quote from Erica:
Once we reach 1.0 and people can write plugins, there might be developers who make Obsidian into a functional outliner by adding metadata to your plain text, but that’s not something we want to do in the core app.
Dynalist & Obsidian - 📣Announcements - Dynalist Forum
I found a few similar topics about people wanting outliner functionality:
Let’s hope someone will develop an outliner plugin for Obsidian.
I can see this happening in two non mutually exclusive ways:
I have a few questions:
Which would be the simplest to develop and maintain? Outliner notes or outliner blocks?
What outliner features does the first version need for most users?
Do we have to wait for Obsidian’s WYSIWYG editor to start developing an WYSIWYG outline plugin?
In our age when cloud services can shut down, get bought, or change privacy policy any day, the last thing you want is proprietary formats and data lock-in.
From https://obsidian.md/ under ‘Forever’
Currently I use Dynalist every day. One outline document is 2,3 MB in opml and 1,5 MB in txt format. I do experience performance issues with this document, maybe because the size.
If outliner notes would be the way to go, what would be the size limit?
If outliner blocks would be the way to go, what would be the size limit?
There are people around here that are infinitely more qualified than me to answer these questions, but here are my very humble opinions:
Outliner notes, I think. The plugin would have a whole file just for itself, with no risk of ever getting it ruined by an improper edit on the embedded content.
I know what I would like: infinite nesting, hoisting, compatibility with Obsidian’s wikilinks and block reference.
Probably not. Anyway, I think a plain text outliner would be a minimum viable product.
I’ve seen outliner exports relying on nothing but indentation or very simple syntax, so metadata shouldn’t be a dealbreaker. As for OPML, it is indeed a standard, but a pain for readability.
I don’t think 2 MB is an insane amount of text. But then again, the devs should be able to give you a clearer answer.
The same is true for me the other way around. I think that there are people who are more qualified than me to ask these questions. Since I have limited experience with Obsidian.
I would use Obsidian more if an outliner plugin is available. Especially if the outline plugin would support wikilinks / [[connections]] and block references.
Even without connections and block references an outliner plugin would be valuable since you can choose yourself if the data leaves your computer or not. One of my issues with Dynalist is the “cloud nature” - I prefer local, under my control.
Importing from Dynalist
If outliner notes would be supported, would importing go like this?
We need these basic features:
Basics
Also
Keyboard shortcuts
Would this be a good start?
I have basic html and css knowledge but I gues that’s not enough to build an outliner plugin for Obsidian. Who can help to build an outliner plugin for Obsidian?
Logseq is a new plaintext md outliner that I’m using alongside obsidian… I wonder if the outliner plugin could be some sort of integration or lite version of logseq? That would be amazing…
logseq looks amazing, @andyfreeland I’ll give it a try, how do you make it work together with Obsidian? Do you open logseq files in Obisidian, or do you use them separetly? Thanks!
Just to add a bit more clarity, I think an outliner would be more inclusive, in that atleast for me, outlining, as is done in Logseq where I can quickly and easily break down thoughts block by block, allow me to free up working memory. Which is crucial, particularly for those who already have a lower working memory or working memory challenges.
Having things automatically bulleted place of doing this myself frees up even more RAM.