Wow, that looks really cool. Thanks for the recommendation! It even has Russian, and runs without installing (a nice little thing). It’s disappointing that it uses Lisp for development, but that doesn’t mean that the program is bad. I’ve been using it for a couple of days now and I am really happy.
PSA: One of the mods on the discord are claiming that people can actually see the source code of Obsidian within the app - haven’t tried this myself but just want others to know about it
Not sure about mobile
The code is minified/obfuscated/packed so most keys and words are replaced by numbers, one letter variables, self-calling functions etc (as it should for production code for performence reasons alone). So it would be little help to assess anything at most it can help debug stuff when things go wrong.
While I respect the developers decision to make the app closed source I really wished it was better communicated. I first learnt about obsidian in a thread discussing open source note taking apps.
The websites home page talks about how Obsidian is infinity customizable and how plugins are available on Github and tells you to “do it yourself”. Everything from the service model to the about page made me think it was open source and I only learnt it was closed source when I was reading a random reddit thread.
I realize that this was partially my fault for not doing any proper research but considering who obsidian’s target audience is I think it’s closed source nature should be mentioned on the home page.
I once misunderstood an app crediting it’s open source components as meaning that the app itself was open source, so I’ve made a similar mistake, but your assumptions aren’t their responsibility. If it doesn’t say it’s open source and it doesn’t link to its source code, it’s probably not open source.
I have run into an odd issue with Obsidian on Wayland where dragging and dropping panes doesn’t work. My system configuration is pretty niche (Wayland on Linux), so understandably the team can’t devote much time towards an issue like this. Still, it’s a big deal to me, and as a software engineer I’d love to just fix it myself.
I’ve spent several hours debugging the issue in the devtools, but working with the minified code is not easy, even after prettifying it. I’ve narrowed the location of the bug down to an event handler callback, but there is a lot of interdependent logic, making it difficult to figure out exactly what’s going on.
If Obsidian were open source, I’m pretty confident I could diagnose and fix the issue myself.
As I told in the BR, obsidian does not use OS specific code for handling events. I don’t believe this is an Obsidian problem. Nevertheless, you are welcome to join the discord chat and report you accurate findings to devs directly.
Personally, I downloaded the releases from a github repo that contained json files etc., so I (yes, mistakenly, but…) assumed that this WAS open source. I’ve gone on to invest a lot of time and effort into it, and even started developing a plugin for it.
Then it occurred to me that I should maybe create a fork of the code, just in case it’s ever taken down. And there IS NO CODE.
Yes, technically my mistake. Arguably very misleading on Obsidian’s part, though.
- You can just download a copy of the installer… Sure it’s not the source code. But if Obsidian went poof tomorrow, you’d still have full access to all your notes. Because it’s offline by default
- It’s not misleading on Obsidian’s part. Nowhere does it state on their homepage that they’re opensource. Just because they’re privacy centric and offline first… doesn’t mean they’re open source.
If they were open source, it would be advertised in big on their homepage or even in the title of their homepage in the Google Search results.
Logseq does that, because they are open source.
Note that because of the open nature of markdown files. You aren’t limited to Obsidian. A handful of people are using both Logseq and Obsidian at the same time. Because they’re mostly compatible with each other to a certain degree.
I think your reasoning would be more valid if this was a cloud service that could shut down any day and all your data would be gone or inaccessible. That’s not the case with Obsidian. Even if the internet went away, you would still have access to your notes
Could you link the repo? I didn’t try all (there are many), but the download links I tried on Obsidian’s website all link to direct downloads (except one that links to Flathub for the flatpak).
No, you’re conflating data/app access with source access. I agree that the ability to access data via the app itself is important, but even if we had that written in stone, with a signed contract from the company saying that they’d always keep the binary available (or we simply backed up the binary), that gives no guarantees that it will remain an open platform worth investing time and effort in, or even that the app will continue to work on future platforms, like windows 12 or Linux 6. That’s why open source is important, and that’s what people assume when they find a git repo with a bunch of source in it.
Like I said, I was wrong to assume, but it IS misleading to post a non-source repo on github. No amount of protest will change the fact that most people think “github repo” means “source code repo”.
But yes, I’ve found Logseq and tried it out and it looks more promising as a reliably open source solution (and might even have a better fundamental architecture, although it’s more limited right now). Thanks for pointing it out.
I’m not conflating, I’m just pointing it out…
- it’s an electron app, generally those things keep working regardless of platform or are easily sandboxable
- it’s not misleading. There are sh*t tons of companies that have github repo’s without being open source.
Obsidian doesn’t mention anywhere on their homepage that it is open source or that it even has repo’s. The homepage mentions Github twice, once to show an example of Markdown usage and a second time to show that community plugins are stored there.
Again, it’s not misleading. You just mislead yourself
I don’t think that. I can link you hundreds of github repos used by closed source app just for issue tracking or documentation. You are ascribing to most people your erroneous assumptions.
I happened across GitHub - obsidianmd/obsidian-releases: Community plugins list, theme list, and releases of Obsidian. while doing something else. If that’s the repo you mean, it’s clearly labeled as not open source. The first 2 paragraphs of the README are:
This repo is used for hosting public releases of Obsidian, as well as our community plugins & themes directories.
Obsidian is not open source software and this repo DOES NOT contain the source code of Obsidian. However, if you wish to contribute to Obsidian, you can easily do so with our extensive plugin system. A plugin guide can be found here: Obsidian Plugin Developer Docs | Obsidian Plugin Developer Docs
I am not like the multiple requesters here who (I assume) inspect every line of code in an open source project and recompile it themselves to ensure it is…what? secure? private? What are you inspecting for, if you are inspecting code? (I’m curious to hear how many people in this thread have actually inspected Logseq?)
But it actually is infinitely customizable, it does feature plugins, it is private, your notes are your own, and it is DIY friendly. So I would ask - on top of these things, what does having access to the source code add?
I am not a developer seeking to join the project, I’m just an end user. So the only purpose in open sourcing a software for me is 1. security, to ensure there’s no security/privacy threat vector, and 2. portability, to ensure that the project doesn’t hold my data hostage in case the project goes under.
I can’t think of any security or privacy concerns with the app. The app doesn’t speak to my network. My sync is achieved through a separate open-source app. I know where all data is going. They are not selling my data.
And I can’t think of any portability concerns. My data is all housed in text files that I own. I freely edit them in other editors already. I would just lose Obsidian’s nice functionality if the ObsidianMD project disappears.
I think the model works really well. I can’t see what open sourcing it adds for the average end user. Open sourcing it adds no features or conceptual improvements.
Open sourcing in this case would only enable other developers to try to join the project, or copy/fork it themselves, neither of which concerns most end users.
But it actually is infinitely customizable…
But without being open source the plugin API is magically unknowable unless we’re told how it works.
Case in point:
I’ve been looking for a way to remove items that are registered here. I’m guessing I can use an empty string or null maybe, but without looking at the source I can’t possibly know, and thus obsidian is not infinitely customizable… in fact this lack of clarity prevents me from making a simple plugin that lets you open files that aren’t
.md in text editors which should be a simple thing to extend a text editor to do right?.
I’m interested to see the public’s take on privacy as time goes on. It’s a big issue but it’s like climate change - not many people have time to care.
Either way, there are 2 roads we’re heading to and I’m happy to be part of the ride.
I would love obsidian to be open source some day.
What people really do not like is ecosystem binding, Obsidian is an ecosystem, not only about markdown and its editor. Think about those many community plugins and corresponding special format built on top of it. If one day obsidian start to be evil, your many markdown files with special community plugin specific formats will not render correctly in another plain md editor. Plugins are open source, but when you lose main program, those open plugins will have no stage to run by themselves.
The risk here is that, yes obsidian team is working in very agile and responsive manner now, but there is no guarantee that some day, main development team collapsed , and even worse, could be occupied by a big company with evil willing to perform ecosystem binding, like what microsoft bought github , and start to use the code base to train their AI and sell money. In that chance, even you want to open source, you lose the power to make decisions.
Above facts, happened commonly in community, developer knows, user also knows.
True concern of developer is that , developers need to make money, or how they feed themselves? Obviously , close source ecosystem binding is the pretty common and practical money guarantee profiting method, that is the real world contradiction. But when people get used to make money on eco binding, people will lose the sight to a fundamental truth: it is the contribution decided the profit, not binding. It is true value brought to the society brings profit, not robbing.
Personally I think a practical way to keep obsidian long live is to be practical on each stage.
- in short term, a closed source manner is fit, then do it, but consider and dare to make some promise on the opensource.
- half open source, in this stage to make source code
read onlyto public through license control, but still grasp tightly the dev power within team.
- full open source stage.
Maybe my comment in some way looks too arrogant, I would sincerely apologize in advance if words hurt. Wish obsidian has a long live future.
Sounds good and not arrogant to me!
I like your idea personally, seems very flexible and not pressuring to anyone in particular.
I disagree, the plugin ecosystem is separate from your notes. If the plugin ecosystem disappeared, I’d still have my content, which is 99% of what I care about. I would merely be losing convenient ways to sort and add to that content.
I thought the Obsidian team plans to open source the software if the company dissolves.
I’m still seeing mention of this, but can’t find documentation on it. However, if that’s true, most of the arguments in this thread are pretty moot.