#18

@alltagsverstand - Obsidian does not offer the friction-free experience of a daily-notes centric outliner. Yes, Obsidian has daily notes, and yes you can do outlines with bullets, but the experience from a UX perspective just isn’t near as fluid as something like Logseq or Roam.

Obsidian forces me to be slow, thoughtful and methodical with what I create there, which is great for deep thinking and creating atomic/evergreen notes.

But when it comes to thought capture throughout the day, there’s just too much friction.

Logseq doesn’t demand the same level of attention to structure, and gets out of the way so I can just write… More comes out, and the outline/bullet nature of it allows me to think and write in a more micro way.

So I prefer Logseq for capturing and brainstorming - it’s like a workspace.

And I prefer Obsidian for deep thinking and knowledge crystallization.

I let Logseq be messy and noisy, without worrying about structure.

And I am meticulous with Obsidian because it is a thought crystal that I want to last and be useful for the rest of my life. I don’t want any noise or messy notes in Obsidian. The more signal, the better.

I’m not attached to my Logseq database, because all the valuable stuff gets permanently stored in Obsidian. I just prefer Logseq for daily flow and thought capture.

13 Likes
#19

that’s an impressive workflow. Thanks for sharing it! After getting a better idea of your process.

I’d like to know what’s your process for moving a valuable note from logseq to Obsidian? Do you use logseq as a repo in github, or do you have it linked to a local folder?
Thanks!

#20

Thanks @santi :slight_smile:

I’m still dialing in my workflow but here’s what I’m currently doing…

I use Logseq with a local folder, using their desktop app that is currently in alpha. They have it posted in their discord. Download link here: https://github.com/logseq/logseq/releases/tag/0.0.5.3

It was just released this week, but I’m super impressed so far. Clean and simple.

So, I use Logseqs task functionality as a way to tag ideas I want to bring into obsidian. I use Notion as my task/project manager, so I don’t need logseq for that.

I leave logseq open throughout the day, and am building a habit of constantly writing down fleeting thoughts and notes throughout the day. Anything worthy of permanence gets turned into a todo.

Then I have focused Obsidian sessions where I go into atomic note writing mode and bring over those todo items/ideas, turning them into polished atomic notes.

I’ve experimented with opening up the logseq vault inside obsidian, which works, but the formatting isn’t useful as all bullets in logseq are bested md heading hierarchies. They are working on creating an md bullet option, which would change the game there.

My intention with obsidian is to create a closed system - a polished knowledge crystal that is free of noise and meandering thoughts - nothing but my best thinking, to inspire and facilitate even better thinking… for this reason, I’m not really concerned with a full integration, and I like the contrast of having an app for mind-mess and thought process tracking (logseq) and an app for mind-polish and knowledge crystallization (obsidian).

Alongside those two is Notion, which I’m using as a task/project manager, info database (clipper, articles, books, CRM, habit tracker, etc) and content creation workspace. Basically a life operating system inspired by August Bradley’s PPV system. I do all my writing in Notion as I enjoy the editing experience.

Logseq: Quick capture/Daily notes

Obsidian: Permanent notes/zettelkasten

Notion: Operating System / Content Creation

So yeah, that’s my system and process in a nutshell… it’s still coming together- been a lot of late nights lately getting everything set up :sweat_smile:

8 Likes
#21

Hey @andyfreeland thank you so much for the awesome breakdown. I’m super excited to see my logseq worflow grow. Since yesterday that I found it thanks to you, I’ve been obssesed with it!

I’m a huge fan of August Bradley’s worflow, I use a variation of his task managment system in my Notion set-up.

If you find it useful I have tons of notes on some of August’s videos that I use to quickly revisit his whole playlist.

Thanks again for the amazing info! it means a lot

Have a great day!

1 Like
#22

Logseq desktop app? Now that’s exciting! Quick question, do you use block embeds or to-do’s in logseq? If so, how do they display in Obsidian?

1 Like
#23

Yeah it’s a much smoother experience. No loading or permission modal :slight_smile:

I don’t really use embeds, as I currently just use logseq for the daily notes feature. I use todos to mark ideas that I want to import to obsidian to turn into a polished atomic note…

Currently, logseq files don’t really integrate well with obsidian because all bullets are written as md headings Instead of md bullets… they are going to change that though I believe

2 Likes
#24

Thanks Santi :slight_smile:

I actually read through all your notes a few weeks ago :wink:

I too am a big fan of August - his philosophy and approach is amazing. Can’t wait to see what he creates this year.

And yeah i feel you regarding the Logseq obsession… I love that I get the workflow of Roam with the transparency and control of Obsidian The UI is so clean, and for being still in alpha, it’s super impressive. Really friendly and responsive team too.

2 Likes
#25

100% agree, super thankful to you for introducing me to this amazing tool.

no way that’s awesome! thanks for checking them out, the guy is a genius!

Excited to see where Logseq goes, but I’m super excited for it!

Have a great day!

#26

@andyfreeland Just tried Logseq for longer the a few minutes a few days ago. I obviously have a lot more data in Obsidian, but I like you love the outliner style for quickness and ease of use to get your thoughts down. Not having the desire to share my thoughts online at the moment or in the near future, I would love for a tool that does both - I guess in this case Logseq? But have been a long time user of Obisidian, not to mention I am Canadian so that I love that I am supporting my Canadian peeps :joy:

Thoughts?

2 Likes
#27

@andyfreeland, thanks for the information. I am exactly looking at logseq for the same reason. The freeflow of dailynotes makes it so much easier to just start putting all the information that you need. I also like the Idea of orgfiles too. Having the org schedule/deadlines methods are so great. If I find that I need to write some stuff. I do make a wiki link as well that way I know what needs to go in Obsidian.

Logseq looks really promising. I am using the 0.0.8 desktop app and it already looks pretty stable. I am not sure if they are going to be implementing the left side panel as well like roam.

2 Likes
#28

Hey guys,

I’ve been playing a lot with Logseq lately.

So far these are the roles I have for Obsidian vs Logseq

Obsidian

Logseq

  • Task mananagment
  • project managment
  • ideas caputuring
  • mobile capturing with an extra tool called Lupin

I made a video on Logseq (I mentioned Obsidian in it) but I’m yet to make more videos on Logseq + Obsidian

If there are enough people interested I do plan to explore Logseq a lot more in future videos!

Hope that helps!

15 Likes
#29

I have been messing with Logseq for just over a week. Similar to your self I find the separation of creation and planning work best for me when separated. Both elements involve a different type of thinking. It is a nice product indeed.

1 Like
#30

This thread perfectly crystallized what I’m struggling with between Roam and Obsidian. I would love to see an outliner built into Obsidian.

8 Likes
#31

There are some sweet workflows to outline in Obsidian now.
This video shows how:

#32

I get you @fakepilot, I thought that too before trying Logseq, but the outlining experience in Logseq is 10x better in my opinion.

Obsidian + Logseq is an awesome combination. I keep my logseq notes inside a sub folder in Obsidian and it works great.

3 Likes
#33

I understood I would have an easier time with an outliner from the get-go. So, I totally agree here!

3 Likes
#34

Do you need to do any converting to get Obsidian to read your LS notes?

2 Likes
#35

No it’s great, every note you create in Logseq is easy to access from Obsidian without any extra steps.

Perhaps the only inconvinience is if you want a note created in Obsidian to appear in Logseq it just needs to have a title at the top of the note

---
title: This is my note
---

once that’s added everything works great on both apps, nothing too complicated.

My workflow like I said is mostly creating Logseq notes that I can edit in Obsidian (I don’t do the other way around often)

5 Likes
#36

Can this be avoided by "if you prefer to use the file name as the page title instead of the first heading’s title, add :page-name-order “file " to the file logseq/config.edn”?

4 Likes
#37

no way! I wasn’t aware of that, that seems to solve it, thanks for the awesome tip

1 Like