#112

Hey @ShaneNZ!

Agreed on the specs you lay out. I guess that’s the challenge :slight_smile:

So, I’ve put together the four top-voted concepts – in no particular order – that we should focus on.

(Btw: I did not vote myself here, these are all community votes. Now, If I had to choose one, I would go with the Weave – Shout out to @I-d-as for the inspiration!)

Given those four options, what would you suggest we do next?

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#113

Awesome @KaneDodgson!

I’m curious what you’ve found!

And with that: I wonder if we should start another thread somewhere to share stories we’ve found.

Even if we come from different domains and even if it’s just a list of note titles.

I’d also love to hear your workflow afterwards.

Paging @EhuddRomero, @alltagsverstand, @anon27868835, @matteor, @cestvrai, @thoresson, @I-d-as, @osgav and @Erick_James_Dodge for input – Does any one want to own this sort of “Awesome Journeys Show and Tell” thread?

To kick this off, here’s what’s been working for me:

  1. Every other day I open the window and use “I feel lucky” until I see a start and end note that sounds interesting.
  2. I let the plugin find the path which it usually (9/10 times) finds.
  3. From let’s say 10 such journeys I usually find one that really piques my interest (“Follow the tickle”)
  4. I then copy this one journey into a collection note called “Cool Journeys”
  5. Because I auto-transclude the links (see settings below) I switch into reader mode and read through the outline that has been created for me. This is my favorite part!
  6. Then I add a section underneath called “What sparks my interest?” and write down additional bullet-points of what it is about this journey that I enjoy

My settings are:

  • Forward and backlinks enabled
  • Include tags
  • Take the scenic route (MOCs start at 22 links)
  • Exclude Daily Notes and Source (original articles) folders
  • Enabled auto-linking
  • Enabled auto-transclusion (My personally most favorite option)

And finally, a raw and messy and yet somehow “me” path that I discovered: The Journey Between Neurodiversity and The Empire State Building

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#114

I’d hate to complicate the, so far, very smooth process you have developed here, but I can see possibilities for hybridizing the Weave and Pathway and Infinity ideas. The Weave already has what could be construed as two infinity symbols interlocking, but I wouldn’t hit the nail too hard on the head with that, although it is a nice secret meaning for people to discover. Also, the Weave, is pleasing yet a bit static, and feels like its parts aren’t quite as integrated as one might expect given the nature of Journey.

Maybe, treating the Weave with some Pathways adding more three dimensional depth, there could be connections, like off ramps merging between the two elements ad infinitum. Although it is an endless web with a rhythm, you could imply an almost arbitrary beginning and end point. This concept could be leveraged by the part in your Weave design where the line weight changes. But I also think there should be some tertiary journeys implied at smaller scale like pit stops on the planned route where it almost looks like you have changed course momentarily (more of a day trip with its own mini stops). With this it could use self similarity and read almost as a generated fractal.

Finally, the so called “beginning” and “end” theme could be played up for effect implying a sort of cliche “ending where you started” hero’s journey idea where there is also a realization after the journey that, while gone, you found parts from home out on the journey and then with this growth you returned home better appreciating what you already had.

I know I am spinning a lot here, but this actually runs in alignment with something I am working on, so I am happy to hear you and a few others liked what you did with my “inspiration”, regardless of which path you take from here. I appreciated the shout out; it was very generous. You sure know how to get things done and I am impressed with how you got the ball rolling. Can’t wait to see where it lands, although, we all know that it is just as important where it started, with/through you.

Thanks.

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#115

Hey there! Sounds good but I can’t visualize your idea. Can you show us rather than tell? Even if it’s just a quick sketch and photo.

#116

Sorry.

I am thinking someone else would be able to do a better icon than I would, but just wanted to try to contribute to the discussion. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

If I do come up with something I am comfortable with, of course I would post it.

Thanks.

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#117

I’ll mock up some options along each concept and share them here; then get a bit of feedback from people and make a decision (or do some tweaks). Up to you on the deciding bit, but it’s your plugin so I think at the very least you should have final say on any voting decisions :slight_smile:

Might take me a few days; I’m near the deadline for a large bit of work at work and have to focus there. Will have it done by the end of the weekend at the latest though.

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#118

@akaalias Suggestion: Ability to enter only Start or End for semi-controlled journeys. Useful for writing a paper & hoping for a new thread to pop up for inclusion.

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#119

Amazing, yes thank you.

And NO HURRY at all on this. We’re all doing this on our free time (I’m slammed with client work at the moment, too.) So, if you need a week, great. If you need a month, please do. Just keep me/us in the loop.

For having the final vote – I think so, too. I very much like the idea of voting for all and having a “decider decision” in a team. I learned that here (See bullet 4 and 5): The Remote Design Sprint Guide — The Design Sprint

#120

Super interesting – Two thoughts:

  1. Could this be done already in the following way? You figure out a Start note, keep it in mind and use the “I feel lucky” button to shuffle through randomly and then enter the Start note, keeping the randomize End note?
  2. Or are you imagining this to be “half blind” where you only enter the Start (or End), hit the button and it’ll just randomly select the other note “under the hood”?

Curious what you think!

[Edit: Formatting]

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#121

@I-d-as no worries! Thank you for your thoughtful input. Always appreciated :slight_smile: I’m excited to see what @ShaneNZ comes up with for the weave!

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#122

I’ll chime in on this, I think the I feel lucky should place a random note in either field only if they’re blank, basically your option #2 there. One of the first times I used it, that was what I tried to do/expected to happen.

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#123

@akaalias #2 is my preference.
While #1 might eventually happen upon a good end link, with thousands of notes the odds of finding just 1 is <0.1%.
Meanwhile, I love your work!

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#124

Hi! it’s me “what the!” (the guy who commented on your YouTube video about using your plug in to generate new answer outlines)
here i am…:blush:
i wanted to reply on YouTube but the comment got Massive so…
feel free to not respond because,
.
i’m just looking for ways to be lazy & productive at the same time, lol…
.
this not directly related to your plugin, but seeing your plugin gave me some hope of actualizing my actual need…
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A machine learning systems I can dump all my textbooks, articles & papers into, & have it form "intelligent links"
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to do that (to form intelligent links), the system should have really good

  1. natural language processing,
  2. contextual understanding,
  3. have the ability to link/group relevant information together.
  4. ability to make neo4j graphs out of those links & contexts

&

it should also have the capacity to compare, link & correlate multiple neo4j graphs.
mainly…

  1. Resource Graph: (the A.I. would make that using the info in the textbooks, papers and articles)
  2. Questions Graph: (made by the A.I with all the questions that has ever been asked in the exam) → {in particular, it’d link the keywords & contexts from the questions to the corresponding info from the textbooks (graph) & answers (graph) ( maybe some articles as well, this is a bit of an overkill but if I’m dreaming, i might as well go all the way. ) }
  3. Answers Pool Graph (made by the A.I. using all the (i.e. a lot of) answers for the above-mentioned questions,)
    and… tag those answers
    1. with their marks → to classify the answers as good, bad & meh,
    2. based on how they have linked the topics/content,
    3. based on how they have presented the information
    4. based on how faithfully did they represent the source material.
    5. 6. 7. yada, yada, yada…
  4. MY Answer Graph (do the same as above for my answers as well.)
    .
    Using these 4 graphs, the system should constantly generate new & improved “plausible” questions along with old questions. & rate my answers in a multidimensional fashion.
    i.e.
    • how close my answers are to the ideal,
    • how are they similar and different from other answers,
    • what aspects of my answer correlate with the good, bad & meh answers,
    • how accurately have I presents the information in the source material?
    • yada, yada, yada…
    .
    thus leaving me with (kind-of) a fully-formed knowledge graph & links.
    .
    and all I need to do it practice, practice & more practice.
    .
    I’m just looking for ways to eliminate everything that’s getting in the way of deliberate practicing. (that includes learning. Because, for some reason, my stupid brain doesn’t understand learning each topic to the point of writing a paper on it is utterly unnecessary & a colossal waste of time. it (my stupid brain) keeps giving me panic attacks, every time i “think” i finished a topic.)
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#125

Great Plugin Alexis!. Thank You for sharing.
As a DevOps
I wan to use this Obsidian plugin
So that I can troubleshoot and create a Knowledge base faster.

Looking forward to trying it.

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#126

That sounds like a really great idea!
Are you planning on developing that kind of ML/AI yourself?

Unfortunately I have two left hands and 10 thumbs when it comes to programming but when I can be of any other sort of help with this project: Count me in :slight_smile:

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#127

Thank you @ajcborges for sharing your context for the Journey :slight_smile: I’m not a DevOps myself (although my all-time favourite GNU/Linux distro still is Debian Sarge!):

  • How do you currently structure your knowledge base?
  • Is the base just for you or other team members?
  • How - if at all - have you found Journey useful to traverse it?

Lemme know, would love to hear :slight_smile:

Alexis

#128

nope, i can’t code to save my life. lol…
so… as of now, i plan of doing this manually, (i.e. really, Really slowly)
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i just plan on

  1. cleaning up my textbooks,
    • divide the topics,
    • clean up the lines & paragraphs.
    • index the content.
  2. link every single word across all books
    (i.e. find a way to make a plugin / css to do that… or chuck the text file int word an ctrl+h it. )
  3. find some way to omit articles and tens denotes…
  4. clean up the graph.

as far as i know, this is going to be massive work… but… not as massive as learning to code→learning machine learning→becoming familiar in whatever language that facilitates that→and bashing my head to automate this…

#129

Awesome plugin! Keep up the good work!

I have a feature suggestion: Custom Copy Syntax

Something like the Memex Chrome Plugin where you can ‘copy to clipboard’ in multiple, user specified formats.

For example, I would also like to be able to copy out the journey in this format, as well:

- {{{Note_Title}}} -> {{{Note_Title}}} -> {{{Note_Title}}}

This feature would allow anyone to ‘code’ their own export syntax :slight_smile:

  • transcluded or not
  • linked or not
  • user headers, or bullets
  • custom title
  • etc

Here’s what it looks like in the Memex Plugin:

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#130

Do you think it would be possible to represent the path Journey generates on the graph view? So we could say, pick a line color, and have Journey link the nodes in the path with that color.

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#131

Not sure if the icon thing is still ongoing, but I popped over to take a look and noticed that a lot of the 0—0 line-between-node / map designs as well as the spark/star designs were popular.
i wonder if a bunch-of-nodes design (like the one within that egg near the scout badges), sitting inside a nice graphic shape like a star might work? alternatively, another idea might some sort of squiggly snakelike arrow with nodes along it? the horizon/road designs are also different enough from the other current icons that i think they would be another good choice ux wise

(edit: i have scrolled all the way down. oops on me for not reading through, i guess! the bigger dots are just users who picked a bigger px size, right?)