#6

Interesting… I think it depends for what purpose you are using it - zkn3 is surely not a note-taking app in the broader sense, it is really “just” a zettelkasten. To be sure, it took some time (I am not talking about weeks, but rather months, maybe even a year) until the zettelkasten unfolded its real power (or “started talking to you”, as Luhmann would have called it…) - but after that point my productivity in writing and thinking kind of exploded! From the view of zettelkasten methodology, I haven’t found any other program so far that includes all of it’s important features. And if zkn3 could deal with single text files, I would still use it in combination with obsidian (which is missing several of these features, though it may further develop some of them and surely brings the flexibility to establish some workarounds…).

What was it that you didn’t find useful?

#7

@alltagsverstand:
This is not the platform to discuss the pros and cons of other apps, so I don’t think we should go into too much detail.

It’s been 3-4 years since I stopped using it so cannot remember all the details. What are called “keywords” I did not find intuitive to use, nor the linking. The imposed sequential numbering did seem to add value, and when you delete a note and create a new one you can reuse that deleted number. I did not like the vendor lock-in for file format, as you acknowledged. There was more. I cannot remember the exact length of time I used it, maybe not long enough because I did not experience the explosion in productivity of reading and writing.

So, maybe I am not being fair, but the apps I found the apps I used afterwards to be a lot more intuitive.

#8

I agree - though my interest was less sparked by the fact that someone doesn’t like an app I personally loved but rather by how workflows and related to that the use of different features differ from person to person! :wink: So it can be can be a fruitful discussion within the “knowledge management” category - but there are already other threads for this… :wink:

#9

@alltagsverstand: I agree. My comment was not meant as a criticism of yours. Also, since it is a long time ago that I moved away from ZKN3 I cannot properly remember what I did not like, so anything I say is of less value than what you can say because you are still close to it.

#10

Thank you for your instructions. I tried cd to the directory as advised but got “DNS-Error” trying to rename the .md files. What shall I do? (Was my first time using the terminal ever so I’ve no idea what to do there.)

Edit:

After trying it again, I get a new error: No more DNS-Error but “Syntax Error”.

#11

Does the terminal give any more information?

Which OS are you using?

#12

Windows 10 (forgot to mention). Ater pondering a while I believe now that the wildcards in Windows 10 are different (or something else is).

Does the terminal give any more information?

Today it doesn’t say more than this.

#13

The above documentation is meant for linux (and probably might work in a similar way on Mac) - “rename” is a pure linux terminal application and not available on Windows…

On Windows, however, the “ren”-command might possibly work - have a look here.

Same problem with the “sed” command, however - you should have a look if this application (or one that does similar things) is available for Windows…

#14

I was afraid it might turn out as something like this. I will check if it’s possible on Windows.

Thanks for your help.

#15

Has anyone by any chance had luck transferring from zkn3 on a mac?

I cannot agree more. However I also are locked in with a few thousand zettels and still counting but on a mac…

#16

@alltagsverstand I know this might be a push too far, but is it possible you to help me convert my zkn3 to markdown with your Linux iOS as I’m very stuck on my mac?

#17

@KPT Have you tried my above instructions? Both “sed” and “rename” are bash commands that should work on MAC OS as far as I know (you might possibly have to install them…). If that does not work, send me a PM.

#18

@alltagsverstand, I’ll try again… Didn’t seem to get it to work the first time around, so I have been experimenting with other solutions…
But if I don’t crack it I’ll PM…

#19

Hi @alltagsverstand, everything worked as prescribed down to the sed part.
You where right rename had to be installed.

However sed does not it for me - it should be installed I tried also ‘sed -n ‘s/[z\s/[[/g’ *.md’ but didn’t work either. I somehow can’t figure out how to PM you, not sure if it’s somehow disabled?

I have another question for you re zkn3 vs obsidian, is the ‘note sequences’ structure kept when transferring with your method?

#20

@KPT no, unfortunately you can’t keep your note sequences - if they are important for you, the only workaround would be to link them directly before export.

As to sed: I have no experience with working on Mac OS - there seem to be some minor differences between the way sed works on different UNIX variants - have a look here or here for example. I haven’t read the discussions so I can’t tell you if it involves a solution to your problem; this is just to demonstrate that you should search the web for the exact sed commands for Mac - maybe you can find something on this page.

If you can’t succeed - yes, I could try to transform your files. You should actually be able to PM me… :thinking: There should be a “Message” button on my profile page…

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#21

Thank you for all this @alltagsverstand. I finally got it - had to install gnu-sed and use gsed instead of sed. Then all seems to work exactly as described.

The note sequence was what I thought was so powerful about zkn3.
It really helped me organise notes and thoughts, It seems thats mostly how most of my notes has been connected, in these sequences.
Seems I have to go through note by one and then link them together - you are not aware if there us a way to do this with regex in zkn3?

As someone that has been using Obsidian, what would be the best way to emulate this? Just by making ‘table of content’ style overacting notes?

#22

I think that’s the only way, unfortunately… Yet, you could at least do a second export that gives you an overview of what should be linked together: in zkn3, you can do a search “Stammzettel von Folgezetteln” which will result in a list of all notes that have one or several Folgezettel. Then, export these search results to a single markdown file, chosing only “headings” and “Folgezettel” as exported elements.

#23

Thanks for the tremendous work! I came across this thread (and the Obsidian in general) when I’ve been searching for an issue I had with zkn3. I’ve been using and loving it for years (more than 23.000 notes by now), but it sure isn’t perfect. Obsidian looks so much better and I would love to use it. Unfortunately, there are still some issues.

  1. I’ve followed your instructions and ended up with files whose structure looks like this:
    [hashtag] null [number]: [title]

    [hashtag][hashtag] null

    [hashtag]<tag 1>

Is this how it’s supposed to look? I would be under the impression that the “null” markers shouldn’t be in there at the end of the process?

  1. In zkn3 my cross references were included as hyperlinks (via the “[z *]” tags around expressions), but in my files I ended up with, these are not hyperlinks but just appear in front of the expression that used to be the hyperlink. Is this an indication that something went wrong?

  2. When I open the files in Obsidian I have them appear just as numbers. I realize that this is what the rename command does for the files, but is it normal that in Obsidian as well you cannot see the titles more easily?

  3. I’m with KPT, note sequences (“Folgezettel”) are absolutely essential for my workflow. Is this a feature that may be included in a future release or maybe via a plugin? I’m not sure if I understand exactly how Obsidian works; is there maybe a way to simulate this feature in the current version?

Thanks again for the great help!

#24

Just a short reply as I am a bit in a hurry:

  1. Question 1: you can’t get rid of these “null” markers in your files - that’s a strange behavior of the zkn3 markdown export (this might possibly change at a certain point - as far as I understood, the guys who took over zkn3 development from Daniel were planning to improve the app’s markdown integration; but I currently have the impression that the whole project will rather fall into oblivion in the middle run…). This said, you have to adapt your headings manually step by step when working with your notes. At least it does not restrict any functionality (it is more of an “aesthetic” question…).
  2. Yes, this is the result of the above described migration steps. The aliases of your internal links stay outside of the link itself. I just realized this later on. There might be some solution for this with sed (I could think about this when I have some more time). The most important thing, however, is that you don’t lose your internal links.
  3. Currently, obsidian just shows file names in the explorer. There are a couple of feature requests to show headings instead of file name - I think at some point this feature might be implemented.
  4. You could open a feature request for this.

In general, obsidian has a great potential and offers a couple of features and a great amount of working flexibility that zkn3 doesn’t have. Yet, on the other hand, some of the important zettelkasten-related features (as “Folgezettel” or the importance of linking notes via tags) are not implemented. After some months of discussions in this forum, I rather have the impression that most people that have never worked with zkn3 before even don’t see their added value… :wink: I couldn’t figure out a good simulation of these features yet - if you like, you might PM me and we could exchange a bit about this topic as I am still thinking about these questions…

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#25

Thanks for the quick reply, that clears things up! Yeah, I would like to talk about some of the issues involved. But there appears to be some restriction on who is allowed to PM you (with other users there is a “Message” button, but for you it’s missing). Could you maybe add me to the exceptions?