#182

@phy

I use Typora regularly, and have done for the past 3 years, but have not had this experience. If anything, the “cognitive load” is less than with Obsidian because with the latter you have to keep switching between Edit and Preview.

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#183

Yeah, don’t get me wrong Typora is great and I’ve used it on/off for a long time; it’s my default app for .md. I tried others like Caret, MoU, Byline, etc but always went back. I just think, if Obsidian devs are building an equivalent, that they could aim higher. Have you played with the Panda alpha for instance?

Also, how do you deal with the problem I mentioned in Typora? If you have two links next to each other and near an image it can be frustrating to change middle links title for instance. Perhaps there is something I’m missing.

#184

@phy

I don’t have experience with this, I have not used links and images like that.

#185

Another avenue to consider is something like the Gutenberg editor in Wordpress. This works on two fronts: it’s a web technology and would allow for future Obsidian editor features that are outside the normal scope of markdown. The embedded query block comes to mind as an argument for this. Could also open the doors for plugin devs to create “block-level” plugins.

#186

This would be a great solution although I imagine quite a big job to implement. I’d be happy with just a typora-like interface in the meantime.
One great feature would be the ‘/’ command that you see with Notion, Craft, Wordpress etc.

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#187

If this is done, PLEASE keep an option NOT to use the WYSIWYM mode. I love the way the current edit mode renders things like headings in a different font but still lets you see the Markdown coding.

Thanks!

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#188

That’s the plan.

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#189

Usecase for editor|preview in separate panels. I am a teacher. I mirror the part of my screen that has the preview to the big screen that the students see. That leaves me free to see navigation options and comments that they don’t see. ie. They see only question; I also see answer.

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#190

It’s very good to know this feature was moved from “Long term” to “Short term” goal on the Obsidian roadmap last month. This will be essential if the software ever has any hope to be widely used.

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#191

@mangosteel

As amazing as it seems, not everyone likes WYSIWYG, so, whilst the feature might bring more users on board, the widespread use will not hinge on that.

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#192

You are typing that on a Discourse forum with a markdown editor and preview window, quite widely used.
If Obsidian is ever as popular as Reddit, stack overflow, even vim or emacs, it will by any objective measure be “widely used.”

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#193

Yes, there is less friction in Typora. In IA writer you also have to switch back and forth. Having two windows open, one in editing mode and one in non-editing mode is also more friction. Typora mode cannot come soon enough for me.

#194

@Haberjr: I never said there was not less friction, In fact, I fully agree there is less, and I have been eagerly awaiting the Typora mode from the day started using Obs.

#195

I think the point here is that it will bring this to a much wider audience. If I show this tool to any one person, the majority of them will be disinterested because of this feature, or lack thereof. Keep in mind reddit has for a very long time had some way to use a visual editor. I think the point is, what’s up with all the UI hate in the programming community? It massively amplifies the usability of things and reduces the time and energy needed to pick up. It’s a win all around, if you can make it an option rather than the default. Macs became popular because they implemented the kinds of things I’m talking about here so effectively. I find your own examples somewhat prove my point.

In response to Klaas on whether its widespread use “hinges” on this feature, I think “widespread” is a relative term, and I think you underestimate how much such a feature matters to people.

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#196

@mangosteel

No, I do not underestimate it, I am even one of those people you refer to, as you can see in my comment to Haberjr.

Nevertheless, I have also seen comments from people here and elsewhere who stated categorically that they do not care for WYSIWYG, some have even asked Licat not to make it default.

So, I would say I am realistic: yes WYSIWYG is important for many people, but I do not ignore the others either.

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#198

@Dor For me it is an intrinsic part of workflow. Write, look at screen, weigh it up, maybe revise a little, write some more. Anything that distracts from seeing only the writing is an impediment. I need to review what the reader will see.

This is exactly it.

@Klaas A lot of people don’t care about voting. Does that mean we shouldn’t do it?

#199

@mangosteel I think everyone agrees WYSIWYG is important to many people. There are also many of us that hate WYSIWYG with the heat of a thousand suns. That we exist doesn’t make your preferred way to work wrong, and visa versa. 🤷 Importantly for your preferred way to work, WYSIWYG support is high on the devs priority list after getting mobile out. Cheers.

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#200

I think as the developers are making WYSIWYM editor. There should be a core plugin in settings to turn it on and off. This way everyone will get along!

#201

@Daniyal-Ahmed: you will be able to disable it, Licat has stated do. In fact, WYSIWYG will be what he calls the 3rd mode in addition to the 2 existing modes Edit and Preview. And if you won’t want to use WYSIWYG you won’t have to.

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#202

I was not aware of these developments. Thanks for Pointing out that it has been stated before.

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